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How to Transfer Your Shares from Standard Chartered Online Trading to Interactive Brokers.

Many investors wish to build their wealth through investing in a diversified portfolio of low-cost exchange-traded funds (ETFs).

One of the key criteria is to use a platform that allows them to optimize their overall costs and keep that cost low.

Roughly how Passive Investors Structure their Passive Portfolio

After reading some books on index investing, or factor investing, they would decide on an appropriate asset allocation between stocks and bonds.

Then, they will decide the appropriate allocation in their stock pie and bond pie.

Since most of these investors are rather young, their portfolios are allocated 100% to equities.

Most of their portfolios are geographically diversified to capture the returns.

To be tax-efficient so as to minimize dividend withholding taxes and not subject to future estate tax risks, they prefer to invest in ETFs domiciled in Ireland, which is traded on the London Stock Exchange (LSE).

Ireland have a dual-taxation treaty with the United States, do not have withholding tax and estate taxes for retail funds created in the country.

A simple portfolio will contain less than 10 funds. Here is a possible example:

FundTickerAllocation
iShares Core MSCI World UCITS ETFIWDA85%
iShares Core MSCI EM IMI UCITS ETFEIMI10%
SPDR® MSCI USA Small Cap Value Weighted UCITS ETFUSSC5%

This is not the most optimized portfolio, nor is this a recommendation.

Selecting the Right Broker to Implement a Low-Cost, Passive ETF Portfolio

These investors chose to create their own portfolio instead of going for a Robo Adviser such as Endowus, Stashaway or MoneyOwl mainly for two reasons:

  1. They can optimize this portfolio and have the flexibility to infuse their own flavour into the portfolio
  2. They believed the costs are lower since they do not need to pay a percentage of asset under management fee

The lowest-cost broker that allows them to invest in these ETFs listed on the London Stock Exchange in a cost-effective manner is using Interactive Brokers.

With tiered or fixed pricing, your average commission per trade should be about 0.05-0.06%.

This is probably the lowest local cost you can find among all the brokers here. And if that is not good enough, converting your SGD to USD or GBP or EUR in Interactive Brokers cost you a flat USD$2 and lets you convert at near spot rates.

If you wish to get started, you can read my series of articles about Interactive Brokers at the end of this article.

The problem some investors have with Interactive Brokers is that there is a monthly $10 inactivity fee if your account is less than USD$100,000. If you are below 25 years old, this inactivity fee is lower at $3 a month. If your account is less than USD$100,000, any commissions paid goes to offset this $10 monthly inactivity fee.

If you are one of these young investors starting out, it might take you about 4-10 years to build up your investment account to US$100,000.

In the meantime, what would be a suitable broker to start off that is low cost enough?

There are not many brokers that allows you to trade on the LSE.

The second-lowest-cost one is Standard Chartered Online Trading (SCB). SCB was my second most frequently used broker.

Here is how the fee schedule looks like:

Based on my experience, on average your commission would be about 0.35% with a minimum commission of US$10. There are no custody fee or dividend handling charges. There is no UK stamp duty as well, although in your order it will initially put the UK stamp duty. (I have verified it myself.)

If you would with to keep your average commission below 0.35%, and you are just starting off, you should accumulate your capital until you have $10/0.0035 = US$2,857 or SG$3,800.

What is Your Game Plan?

If you are just getting started with investing, and can only put away $6000 a year into your portfolio, you might wonder if you could hit US$100,000 in 4 to 8 years.

Thus, you are likely unwilling to sign up for Interactive Brokers.

So what you can do is:

  1. Sign up and use Standard Chartered Online Trading for the time being.
  2. When you have accumulate past US$100,000, either do a share transfer to Interactive Brokers or sell the shares on Standard Chartered Online and buy it in Interactive Brokers.

This is an elegant progression from a platform with reasonable commission to a lower-cost one.

How to Transfer Your Stocks from Standard Chartered Online Trading to Interactive Brokers.

If you tried search online, you would have found entries that say this transfer was not possible. Some of the reasons given is that SCB can only transfer to brokers on certain platform and Interactive Brokers was not one of them.

Well, one of the members of my Financial Independence Telegram group managed to successfully transferred from SCB to IBKR.

What you need to do is to fill up forms on both SCB and IBKR.

Once you submit the forms, both SCB and IBKR will link up and do the work for you.

The process took our member about 4 working days from request submission to seeing his position in IBKR.

In the following section, I will show you how I transferred one of my stock holding under SCB to Interactive Brokers. It took me roughly 7 calendar days.

The stock actually appeared in the Interactive Brokers statement on a Sunday!

Filling in the Standard Chartered Share Transfer Form

SCB provided an online form for you to submit your share transfer.

You may access the share transfer form by clicking that small button in the graphic and select Share Transfer Form.

You will come to this page wher eyou will need to specify the account you wish to transfer from and where it is going.

I select the option Transfer out of SC Online Trading. Also select No Change of Beneficiary Owner.

After selecting my trading account from the dropdown, most of the information is auto-generated.

The only portion I had to manually fill up is under the trading account number.

When you click Next, you will come to a page where you would need to fill in Interactive Brokers details. I managed to obtain this information from a reader (hat tip to you know who). If not, I am not sure where we are going to get the information.

In the next screen, you will select the number of shares you would like to transfer.

In this case I have selected all the shares of a particular Hong Kong stock of mine.

Click Next.

Once you have reviewed, then you can submit.

Filling in the Basic Transfer Form at Interactive Brokers

Once we have settled with the Standard Chartered Side, its time to fill in the form at Interactive Brokers to let them know some shares are coming.

Go to Transfer & Pay > Transfer Positions.

Select Basic FOP Transfer.

From the drop down, select Standard Chartered Bank. Fill in your SCB account number.

You will also need to fill in the Contact Name, Contact Email and phone number. You can fill in what is in the screen above (Got it from the reader as well)

At the bottom part, add the asset that you are transferring in. Interactive Brokers have an intuitive search function to aid you to easily add the share.

Next page you need to sign.

You are done.

Waiting for Your Transfer Request to Be Processed

The next part would be waiting.

I managed to receive this email indicating the application was submitted.

I checked my SCB account and saw this receipt.

But I think one day prior to this receipt, my shares have been credited into the IBKR Account.

Should We Transfer or Sell The Shares in SCB?

The table below shows the Outward Transfer cost:

I think your decision hinges firstly on cost and hassle.

It might be cheaper if you sell and then transfer the cash over, then you buy again. Of course that is two transactions.

If each of your positions are too small, then the flat transfer charges would look less economical.

In my case, the cost worked out to be 0.30%. I think is OK.

Roughly a buy or sell transaction, without minimum, works out to be 0.35%. So the cost is not too bad.

After going through this process, I find transferring more convenient.

However, you will feel that you have less control as you would have to wait anxiously and wonder if you have keyed in the right things.

Summary

I think with this knowledge, I have a viable onboarding solution for young, do-it-yourself, passive, low-cost investors.

  1. If you felt less confident that your annual capital injection into your portfolio would allow you to accumulate to US$100,000 in 4 to 5 years, you can start investing with Standard Chartered Online Trading first.
  2. Once your portfolio have grown to US$100,000, transfer over to Interactive Brokers to enjoy better currency rates, commission rates.

I would like to thank the friend of my reader who venture to transfer his funds over. As not many people did this, the staff at Standard Chartered was not familiar with the process.

But he preservered and now the transfer request that comes after him is much faster.

For those looking for a good, low-cost broker that allows you to invest in a vast number of markets, you can check out Interactive Brokers here.

My Comprehensive Interactive Brokers How-to Guides

Here are some of my past articles on wealth building with Interactive Brokers. I hope it makes your life easier and brighter.

  1. An Easy Step-By-Step Guide to Setup Interactive Brokers (IBKR)
  2. How to Fund & Withdraw Funds from Your Interactive Brokers Account
  3. How to Convert Currencies in Interactive Brokers
  4. How to Buy and Sell Stocks and Securities on Interactive Brokers
  5. How Competitive are Interactive Brokers Commissions Pricing?
  6. Interactive Brokers have Eliminated the US$10 monthly inactivity fee. More details here.
  7. How to Transfer your shares from Standard Chartered Online Trading to Interactive Brokers
  8. How to trade after-hours and premarket
  9. How to create customized reports and automatically send to your email
  10. Send Money from TransferWise to Interactive Brokers

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Jun Jie

Sunday 5th of September 2021

Hi Kyith, are there any promotions if I were to transfer in shares from other brokers to IBKR? Is the below promotion valid ? Thank you Referred accounts will receive $1 in IBKR shares for every $100 of value (cash or other assets) added to their account for up to $1000 worth of IBKR shares. The average balance must be maintained for at least 1 year for the shares to vest and be accessible.

Kyith

Sunday 5th of September 2021

i don't know about this one.

kid

Wednesday 25th of August 2021

Hi Kyith, Thanks for the info. I have a similar situation with DBS Vickers, and want to transfer to cheaper brokerage. DBS FAQ stated that "Fees for withdrawal of foreign securities are SGD 50 per counter + any out-of-pocket charges.". Do you have any info/ideas on how "any out of pocket charges" calculated? I just want an estimated cost so that I can decide whether it makes sense to transfer instead of paying monthly custodian fee.

Kyith

Saturday 28th of August 2021

Hi kid, unfortunately I did not have the info on the DBS side of the house.

Hazel

Thursday 19th of August 2021

Hi Kyith, I managed to transfer my stock from SCB to IB after a more than 2 weeks wait but I noticed that my average stock price information from SCB is not transferred over. IB just indicate my stock market value price at the time of transfer together with the quantity. Is this the way it should be? Having regrets of transferring my stocks over.

Kyith

Tuesday 24th of August 2021

Hi Hazel,

I think as long as the value is there it is ok. cost basis may just be some form of accounting. My reader have managed to set the cost basis. He used the information here https://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/software/am/am/reports/positiontransferbasis.htm

moneysavegeek.com

Tuesday 27th of July 2021

Hi Kyith, useful article as always. While I'm not based in Singapore I do have an SCB SG account for online trading for a variety of reasons.

I also have an IB account (HK based).

Have you looked into transferring LSE Listed ETFs from IB to SCB previously? That way you could make the trade at a cheaper rate on IB and then transfer it over to SCB.

Kyith

Wednesday 28th of July 2021

HI Moneysavegeek, i have not. Not sure how that one will go. The problem usually is at the SCB side not the IBKR side.

moneysavegeek

Monday 26th of July 2021

Hi Kyith

Great article. Have you tried the other way, basically from IB to SCB (and mainly LSE ETFs)?

Reason is you trade via IB (lower fees) but then hold with SCB (better counterparty risk and also ability to build status)?

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