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Making Sense of this HDB Valuation and Withdrawal Limit Stuff

I’m trying to make sense of this VL and WL HDB stuff that was usuallly ignored by many. This is in response to some Facebook questions. I don’t own a flat, I am not well verse in this. Just trying to take some time and sort it out in the head. If there are any mistakes, do let me know.

 

Financial Planner Wilfred Ling posted this video citing the risks that many home owners in Singapore are unaware of.

The prevalent mindset is that as long as my monthly home loan payment comes from CPF it is ok. What they are unaware of is that there are limits on how much CPF can be used such that you will need to use cash to pay your home loans even if you have ample money in your CPF.

The repercussion is that this occur a long time after you first purchase, and if you are a poor money planner, you could be in trouble.

The limits that he talks about are the Valuation Limit and Withdrawal Limit.

Per CPF these are the definition:

The Valuation Limit (VL) is the lower of the purchase price or market value of the property at the time of purchase, as assessed by the Board. You and your co-owner(s) may use your Ordinary Account (OA) savings up to the VL to buy the property and/or pay the monthly installments of the housing loan.
When the total CPF withdrawn by all the owners reaches the VL, every owner must individually set aside the half of the prevailing Minimum Sum in his OA and Special Account (SA) if he wants to withdraw more CPF to service the outstanding housing loan. Any owner who does not meet the above condition will not be allowed to do so.

The VL is not applicable to new HDB flats financed with HDB concessionary loan

The Withdrawal Limit (WL) is the maximum amount of CPF beyond the VL that you and your co-owner(s) can use for the property. Once the WL is reached, no further withdrawal of CPF by any owner will be allowed. If the housing loan is still outstanding, you and your co-owner(s) will have to service it fully with cash. The WL is not applicable to new or resale HDB flats financed with HDB concessionary loan. The WL is determined by the date of purchase or refinancing of loan as follows: 120% (1 Jan 2008 onwards)

When you purchase your home, an independent valuer will put a value on your home. This is the VL. Your WL will be 120% of that VL.

There are 4 scenarios that Wilfred identified:

New HDB BTO Flat

If you have a new flat bought under BTO, you will be eligible for HDB concessionary loan and you have no worries but will be able to use ALL your CPF-OA for your housing loan.

Suppose you have John and Mary purchasing a new BTO flat for $350k. They put a down payment of $35k and loan $315k.

In this case, in total forecast at the end of 25 years, they would need to pay $427k. This is above the VL and greater than the WL (122%). Since it’s a new HDB, they won’t be affected by such limits.

Resale HDB Flat

The VL comes into the picture if John and Mary decide that they want to sell off this flat and purchase a resale flat.

  1. They negotiate with the seller to purchase this flat at $650k
  2. The independent valuation (VL) comes up to $600k
  3. They can only apply for loan based on $600k valuation. this means that the $50k is somewhat the “COV” or cash over valuation that they have to pay by cash
  4. John and Mary use their CPF to pay for the 10% down payment or $60k and loan $540k from HDB at 2.6% interest
  5. The VL here is $600k

In this case the total payment can come up to $732k, which is higher than the VL of $600k. This would mean that $132k comes into contention.

Every owner must individually set aside the half of the prevailing Minimum Sum in his OA and Special Account (SA) if he wants to withdraw more CPF to service the outstanding housing loan. Any owner who does not meet the above condition will not be allowed to do so.

So according to this, the current CPF minimal sum is $148k and if John and Mary EACH have $74k in their CPF OA and SA, then they can continue to use their CPF to pay for their flat.

This to me is entirely possible considering my SA possibly have $30k odd after working for 10 years. So by 20 you could possibly hit $60. On second thoughts, if John and Mary pushes their CPF to the limit to pay for the mortgage, they won’t build their CPF OA, so from the looks of it CPF SA might not be enough.

So perhaps they will have to pay cash for that $132k

Couple’s New or Resale HDB or Private Purchase using Bank Loan

In the case of that John and Mary decide to use bank loan to finance a $1,000,000 worth of Executive Condo (EC), both the VL and WL comes into the picture.

  1. The independent valuation (VL) comes up to $1,000,000
  2. John and Mary use their cash to pay for the 20% down payment or $200,000 and loan $800,000 from XYZ bank at 1.8% floating rate interest for 30 years.
  3. The VL here is $1,000,000
  4. The WL here is $1,200,000

    • The couple pays a total of $1,033,852. This will exceed their $1,000,000 in VL by $33,852. The couple may not be able to pay this amount with their CPF. This depends on whether they have set aside half the minimum sum in their CPF OA. If they have, they can still tap upon their CPF OA
    • $1,033,852 is still within their WL limit, which is $1,200,000

    How would the Couple burst the WL Limit?

    Banks are in the business to make loans.

    They earn the spread between what they pay for deposits (their liabilities) and the loans they make. Since their cost on deposits are volatile based not just on what they offer to us but what is the market benchmark rates, if they set the loan interest wrongly, they are in for trouble.

    For this reason, they tend to favor floating rates over fixed rates. They have more safety there.

    If this couple is taking a loan on floating rate, their interest for the first few years could be 1.8%.

    However, their interest over the 30 years may raise over time.

    Even if the refinance the loan, the rates will be higher.

    • If the annual interest rate is 3.2% instead of 1.8%, the total payment changes
    • The total payment paid is $1,238,270. This exceeds the WL of $1,200,000.
    • Unlike VL, once WL is reached, you have to pay the rest with cash

     

    Why is the government being so anal about this VL and WL

    The conspiracy theory is that the government needs our CPF money to make more money or that our CPF money is not there at all. I shall not go into conspiracy theories.

    The CPF is suppose to not just provide “affordable” housing but also to ensure every Singaporean have enough for their old age.

    Human beings are rather poor at planning how to deploy their money. They tend to make very poor decisions.

    So the government have to “force” us to set aside this minimum sum.

    If you use all your CPF for housing, how would  you feed yourself when you are old?

    Paying a larger down payment

    The grand scheme of things seem to be that: Don’t expect to only tap your CPF for housing. You have to use cash.

    If you provide more down payment at the start with cash, no problems. If not you pay for it later in life.

    What if  you Decide to Refinance Your Home Loan?

    Someone post this question to me and my thoughts are, if you refinance, typically you would have to pay down a sum before re-finance can occur (correct me if I am wrong).

    In this case, it is likely part of the objective of the government is achieved, which is getting you to pay in cash and trying to be prudent about it.

    Boundary pushers and floating interest rates

    From the illustrations, I hope the bombastic scenario of 4% interest rates don’t come into the picture. Imagine if you push the boundary of what you can purchase, a 1 mil condo with floating rate, which is covered by your CPF just right.

    If the interest moves up to that, you need to pay more interest and may be in for a shock later in life.

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    thehashtaggg

    Friday 9th of December 2016

    hi, was reading through and trying to understand this whole VL and WL. Appreciate your examples, but may I ask if there is a typo there for the loan amount supposedly $800,000 instead of $1 million? just doing some calculations and the total payments for $800k loan is about $905k with monthly repayment of $3,014.98 for 300 periods, if so, then won't hit the WL of $1.2 mil eh?

    Kyith

    Saturday 10th of December 2016

    hi thehashtaggg, you are right!perhaps when i was making this example up, i thought we are taking a 100% loan! which cannot be the case. I believe this is a matter of whether the interest rate rise high enough.I have rewritten and hope it explains better. Sorry for the error.

    wong boon hong

    Friday 22nd of January 2016

    I understand that VL is easily reached if you are the sole owner or the only one paying for the housing loan. However, if you have a partner sharing the payment, VL should not be even near at all. Or do you mean The combined of 2 CPF usage cannot exceed VL instead of individual CPF account?

    Kyith

    Friday 22nd of January 2016

    it is the combine. you can only use 120% of the valuation to service the housing loans. this is to prevent you from using too much.

    Carol

    Tuesday 31st of March 2015

    Can I pay off the full resale price of the hdb using my cpf? If so does WL or VI applies?

    Melvink2

    Wednesday 26th of March 2014

    I think PS Tan is referring to the "Accrued amount" and not the withdrawal limit. If you decide to sell your HDB Flat, CPF will 1st deduct the accured amount and principal amount used in CPF before you can take out any money from CPF.

    However, I don't think the "Accured Amount" relates to this article, only if you decide to sell the flat, then only does it matter. ---------------------------------------- From HDB: "If you sell your HDB flat, you need to refund the principal amount you had earlier withdrawn for the purchase of the flat, including the accrued interest, to your CPF account. This interest is the amount you would have earned, had the savings not been taken out."

    "If you are aged 55 and above when you sell your flat, the CPF refunds will be used to top up your Retirement Account up to your cohort Minimum Sum and your Medisave Account up to the current Medisave Minimum Sum. Any excess CPF refunds will be paid to you within 5 working days from the crediting of the refunds to your CPF account."

    Anonymous

    Thursday 27th of March 2014

    The point from CPF board is, CPF monies are primarily used for retirement. Just that over the years, this viewpoint has change and most individuals highly leverage their CPF for payment of houses.

    Kyith

    Wednesday 26th of March 2014

    Thanks for the clarification

    PSTan

    Wednesday 26th of March 2014

    The limit will actually reach faster than you thought. For CPF the presume amount that had been used is not just the actual cash that had been used to pay for the bank loan. It include compound interest that you "could" have earn if the $$ is part in the CPF itself.

    For instance say you use 100K of CPF for down payment, and subsequently use cash to say serve your loan, you will still slowly inch up to the limit, as CPF will add 2.5% interest compounding yearly as the amount that you have used. (If my interpretation are correct). You might want to verify this part.

    Anonymous

    Wednesday 26th of March 2014

    Not true. We are just looking at the principal amount of CPF that you use. For property purchasers, you would notice 2 items in your housing statement. A) Principal amount used and b) Accrued interest.

    CPF board only use item A to compute whether the VL or WL is reached. The only time it becomes fast is if somebody goes to HDB or to the bank and do partial payment.

    Kyith

    Wednesday 26th of March 2014

    Wow, pstan thanks for telling me this. You are referring to the withdrawal limit isn't it

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